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Post by Arctura on Jul 21, 2013 18:36:44 GMT
Theology isn't usually part of my typical thought processes, but I was reading Inferno by Dan Brown and it came up. The book is based off Dante Alighieri's Inferno and includes many excerpts, one of which discusses the 9 rings of Hell and the various ways in which the prisoners were punished. Yeah, not the lightest stuff, but I'm curious: in your opinion, what is the most immoral of the Seven Deadly Sins (wrath, envy, sloth, pride, gluttony, greed, lust)?
Btw, I am not a huge fan of Dante's Divine Comedy, but I do appreciate how he was the first to create a solid depiction of Hell. Before the 1300's, it was only an abstract idea. Pretty cool, I'd say, albeit a little twisted. But I am quite the fan of Dan Brown's new book. It's just asdfghjkl;lkadkahga IT IS A MUST READ.
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Post by Sleeves on Jul 22, 2013 0:54:40 GMT
Pride is traditionally seen as the most vile of the deadly sins. This is demonstrated in Judea-Christain mythology when Lucifer is perma-banned from Heaven for his unwarranted arrogance and general pissant-ness.
Personally, I think wrath is the most immoral. Wrath is the desire for harm, pride is the desire for attention. Pride is not that bad in my mind. If I were a sin, it would be pride. When you think about it, pride can be either negative or positive. The other six sins, as far as I'm concerned, are always negative.
All this to be said, the seven deadly sins and their corresponding virtues don't really show up in any of the original scriptures. It's mostly dogma from the Middle Ages when the Catholics were trying to brainwash everyone.
Dante's Inferno is an interesting read. I read it in seventh grade and even then I didn't think it was particularly scary (or funny). It doesn't really describe anything in horrific detail. While it does offer a solid depiction of Hell, it's just that. A depiction of Hell, not THE depiction of Hell. The layers are all Dante's creation. The actually Bible rarely mentions Hell. The closest thing to Hell in the Old Testament is Gehenna, and Gehenna is literally a dump. The New Testament refers to it as a place where you burn for all eternally. My point is, Dante's version of Hell is not based on the word of God, therefore it is not legitimate. It is fiction. It should not be referenced as the actual Hell. The actual Hell is vague, and Judaism doesn't even acknowledge its existence.
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Post by Arctura on Jul 22, 2013 2:46:37 GMT
Yes, I know Pride is viewed as the worst of all the sins, but I I think wrath and greed are the worst. It is a known fact that humans will do anything for money, and it often fuels 'wrath'. And not to be insensitive or obtuse, but I really don't think gluttony (unless it involves consuming humans) or lust are 'sins'. What do you think?
And since I have never even so much as touched the Bible, I remain fairly uneducated, but good thing it didn't greatly lessen my understanding Dan Brown's book. Brown was more concerned with Dante's message, not that of the Bible. Like you said, Dante created his own portrayal of Hell, and this is wholly separate from the Bible's portrayal (which as you said, is fairly ambiguous). At least I know some facts lol, but I really should become more theologically aware if I intend on reading classic literature, which is often riddled with Biblical allusions.
Thanks for the info; I didn't know the word "Hell" itself was not mentioned in the Old Testament...hmmm why do so many people who are proclaimed Christians say that "you are going to Hell because of blah, blah, blah" or whatever? Does God ever actually say that certain groups of people will be condemned for things? I'm curious Sleeves, indulge me (I know nothing!).
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Post by Arctura on Jul 22, 2013 2:50:27 GMT
Just fyi, I read Dante's Inferno in 8th grade. Can't remember much though! And I agree, it wasn't scary per se- it was more chilling, especially since I was stupid and read it at night (not that it made a very good bedtime story).
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Post by Sleeves on Jul 22, 2013 12:07:32 GMT
Lust is the desire for pleasure and gluttony is the desire for excess. They don't sound that bad, do they? Pop culture portrays lust as the desire to 'know someone biblically' and gluttony as overeating. Traditionally and theologically, however, lust included desires for other physically luxuries, such as drugs, and gluttony is applied to the overconsumption of anything. While they're not nearly as bad as wrath or greed, I'm sure you can see where doing drugs and taking more than your share of things are 'bad.'
As far as I know, the whole 'you're going to Hell' thing originated around the Middle Ages as a result of the power of the Catholic Church. It's made its way into other forms of Christianity and become sort of a cliche. Oh, God definitely condemns certain groups of people. Once again, I only really know the Old Testament well enough to say for sure, and in the Old Testament he doesn't really say 'you're going to Hell' but he does punish people. For the most part people were punished for worshiping idols or breaking one of the Commandments. His punishments were usually vague and along the lines of 'you will not be one of my people.' God said to the Hebrews (not word for word) 'I will punish your enemies and bless your friends.' In the Old Testament, God really just wanted to be worshiped. The Ten Commandments, which are the closest thing to the deadly sins ever really mentioned, were really just suggestions God gave us to help ourselves. It's not until the New Testament and the rise of the Catholics that people were threatened with Hell for not doing what they were supposed to.
Please keep in mind that I am not a scholar on the Bible. I've never been to church, everything I know was either self-taught or taught to me by my father. Take everything I say with a grain of salt.
~~~End rant.~~~
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Post by Arctura on Jul 22, 2013 15:53:06 GMT
Pssh! I think I just learned more about Christianity than I have in my entire life! It's more interesting talking with someone else than looking up the Bible on Wikipedia.
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Post by Sleeves on Jul 22, 2013 18:32:41 GMT
Psshhhhhhh Wikipedia. Wikipedia makes everything too complicated, anyway. XD
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